Thursday, January 12, 2023

Flashback: how old were the Reboot Legionnaires supposed to be?

As the podcast is just now starting to get into the Reboot timeline, I thought this post might be relevant to resurrect (here's the original).

This came out over on the Compuserve Comics and Animation Forum. Back in the olden days, many of the comics creators were active on the moderated message boards (and to some extent on the unmoderated Usenet newsgroups). Among those on Compuserve were many Legion creators, including Mark Waid, Tom McCraw, Kurt Busiek, and Jeff Moy. This came out around the time of the zero issues, in response to questions about the various members ages.

Tom McCraw, writing to Mark Waid for confirmation, suggested these. Waid read it and never commented on it. Since we're doing a re-read, I will post the relevant panels as we see their ages (as of May 2994).

Forum:  Comics/Animation+ Section:  Comic Books
Subj :  Legionaires #0
To   :  Mark Waid Saturday, September 03, 1994  2:06:23 AM
From :  TOM McCRAW #679086

In response to Juliana Kristi's question on the age of the Legion members I've  listed below.  Mark, You may correct me if I goof on someone.

Cosmic Boy -     Rokk Krinn  age 15
Saturn Girl-     Imra Ardeen age 15
Live Wire -    Garth Ranzz   age 14
Apparition -     Tiny Wazzo  age 15
Triad -        Luornu Durgo  age 16
Leviathan -       Gim Allon  age 17
Kid Quantum -   James Cullen age 16
XS -           Jenni Ognats  age 14
Invisible Kid -   Lyle Norg  age 16

On Chameleon and Brainac 5 I'm still trying to figure out the math on Coluan and Durlan timelines. (and it's making my head hurt.)

Hopes this helps anyone who wants to know.

From Legionnaires #0, page 2, panel 2, we get confirmation of the ages of the founders.

From the new Omnicom pages in "LSH: The Beginning of Tomorrow" TPB, here's Luornu's age. Either she just turned 16 after this page (published May 7) came out, or they revised her age down from 16 to 15.

I later (in 1995) asked Tom about the other Legionnaires who had joined since the above was written. 

Forum:  Comics/Animation Section:  Comic Books
Subj :  LSH CMMTS - LSH #76
To   :  Michael Grabois Wednesday, November 29, 1995  1:51:22 PM
From :  TOM McCRAW #1062756


Here are some additions, even if they aren't Legion members yet or not.

VALOR-              Lar Gand age 18
GATES-        Ti'Julk Mr'Asz age 18
SPARK-            Alya Ranzz age 14
KINETIX -         Zoe Saugin age 15
ANDROMEDA-       Laurel Gand age 16
SHRINKING VIOLET- Salu Digby age 14 (almost 15)
Chuck Taine                  age 16
STAR BOY         Thom Kallor age 16
Lori Morning                 age 10 (even if she doesn't look her age)

No word on Cham yet, noone can really understand him except Lyle and Brainy is very vauge about his information.  Quote:  "Why does it matter?"

Hope this helps and let me know next time you want another up-date.


Saturday, January 07, 2023

What's new in the Field Guide to Legion Cover Variants in 2023

I have updated the Field Guide to Legion Cover Variants 1958-2022 (in 9 parts, as of this writing). New for 2023 are the entire Justice League vs the LSH series from 2022 (see part 9), which had a regular and variant cover for each issue. I recently found out that there was a Walmart pack variant of issue #1 that had a blue logo instead of a red and white logo, so now I'm on the hunt for that one. 

Let me know if you find something that you think I should add!

  • Part 9 (2021-2022) NEW
    • Justice League vs Legion of Super-Heroes #1 - regular, variant, Walmart variant
    • Justice League vs Legion of Super-Heroes #2 - regular, variant
    • Justice League vs Legion of Super-Heroes #3 - regular, variant
    • Justice League vs Legion of Super-Heroes #4 - regular, variant
    • Justice League vs Legion of Super-Heroes #5 - regular, variant
    • Justice League vs Legion of Super-Heroes #6 - regular, variant

Thursday, January 05, 2023

Jimbo Fett's Reboot Timeline

Friend of the blog and friend of the podcast Jimbo Fett (of Jim's Legion Blog fame) has shared with me his best attempt at making the Legion Reboot timeline. As you saw in my 5YL timelines, some dates were given while others were implied, and some were just educated guesses (like "let's say it takes a day of travel to get from one solar system to another"). Jim has done that for the Reboot series and I offered to post it here. All the work and credit goes to him!

This will be a work in progress as we refine the dates (as needed) when we cover the issue on the show.

A lot of dates are referenced from LSH Secret Files #1, so that's just abbreviated as LSHSF in the table below. This timeline does NOT attempt to figure out when the 20th century events happened between when half the group got sent back in time in LSH v4 #84 and when they were reunited in #100 (but if anyone has come up with proposed dates, I'll be happy to post it or link it here!).

We know the "report by" date is 5/31, so the 5/25 date for the founding (and thus all the other dates that are keyed off of it) is somewhat arbitrary but a reasonable assumption.
Issue Date Event Reference Info
LSH v4 #0 May 9, 2994 Brande is saved from assassination Omnicom page from the "LSH: Beginning of Tomorrow" TPB
LSH v4 #0 May 25, 2994 Brande charters the Legion with Cosmic Boy, Saturn Girl, and Live Wire as the first members In LSH v4 Annual #6 & Legionnaires #0 - "Report by 29940531", so this date is arbitrary based on 2-3 days between issues
LSH Secret Files #1 May 26, 2994 Legion captures Grimbor Founding + 1 day (LSHSF #1)
Legionnaires #0 May 28, 2994 UP Senate is attacked Founding + 3 days (LSHSF #1)
Legionnaires #0; LSH v4 Annual #6 May 29, 2994 Apparition and Triad join the team; draft notices sent out to Gim Allon, Lyle Norg, Jenni Ognats, James Cullen, Querl Dox, and a Durlan Assume a couple of days prior to "Report by date"
Legionnaires #0 May 31, 2994 Date given for draftees to report (not shown) Legionnaires #0
LSH v4 #62 June 1, 2994 Leviathan, Invisible Kid, XS, Chameleon, and Kid Quantum join; KQ killed in action Founding + 7 days (LSHSF #1)
Legionnaires #19 June 4, 2994 Funeral for Kid Quantum is bombed, but mitigated by XS Assume 3 days later. Brande to Brainy - "Your membership was approved last week"
LSH v4 #63 June 7, 2994 HQ Opened Founding + 13 days (LSHSF #1)
Legionnaires #20 June 8, 2994 Legion faces off against Mano Founding + 14 days (LSHSF #1)
LSH v4 #64 June 9, 2994 Intro of Ultra Boy, Spark replaces Live Wire Founding + 15 days (LSHSF #1)
Legionnaires #21; LSH v4 #65; Legionnaires #22 June 12, 2994 Planet Hell, parts 1-3 Founding + 18 days (LSHSF #1)
LSH v4 #66 June 17, 2994 Andromeda, Violet, Kinetix drafted Founding + 23 days (LSHSF #1)
Legionnaires #23 June 21, 2994 Girls night out; Invisible Kid invents the flight ring Founding + 27 days (LSHSF #1)
LSH v4 #67; Legionnaires #24; LSH v4 #68 June 24, 2994 Tangleweb II; Assault on Triad; Tangleweb II, pt 2 Founding + 30 days (LSHSF #1)
Showcase '95 #6 June 26, 2994 Legion Academy story Before Composite Man fight, as during that fight Andromeda gets sick (LSH v4 #70)
Legionnaires #25; LSH v4 #69 June 28, 2994 The Legion fights the Composite Man; The Legion defeats the Composite Man, Saturn Girl hospitalized Founding + 34 days (LSHSF #1)
LSH Annual #6 June 29, 2994 Kinetix loses her powers Founding + 35 days (LSHSF #1)
LSH Annual #6 June 30, 2994 Zoe & Vi's trip
LSH Annual #6 July 1, 2994 Shvaughn Erin reads the log of Zoe & Vi's trip the day before
LSH Annual #6 July 2, 2994 TBD TBD
Showcase '95 #6 July 3, 2994 Leviathan assists Shvaughn, Gigi and Deacon in bringing in criminals After LSH Annual 0, but before the Triangle War
Legionnaires #26 July 4, 2994 Micah Aven tries to aid Saturn Girl, The Workforce fights the White Triangle A sick Andromeda crashes through the monitor room, so assume a day before LSH v4 #70.
LSH v4 #70 July 5, 2994 Brainy cures Laurel. Kinetix leaves. Founding + 41 days (LSHSF #1)
Legionnaires #27 July 6, 2994 Introduction of Roxxas as a Daxamite Andromeda recovered
LSH v4 #71; Legionnaires #28 July 7, 2994 Stargate network and Trom destroyed by the White Triangle Daxamites Just before the Daxamite attack on Earth (LSHSF #1)
Legionnaires Annual 2 July 8, 2994 White Triangle War. Andromeda and Apparition apparently killed Founding + 44 days (LSHSF #1)
LSH v4 #72 July 10, 2994 Memorial Service for the fallen Legionnaires Estimated a couple days after Annual events
Legionnaires #29 July 11, 2994 Dirk Morgna taken hostage and mutated by Dr. Regulus Founding + 47 days (LSHSF #1)
LSH v4 #73; Legionnaires #30 July 12, 2994 Garth hunts down Mekt; Garth and Ayla defeat Mekt, but Garth loses his arm Founding + 48 days (LSHSF #1)
LSH v4 #74; Legionnaires #31 July 15, 2994 Superboy/Future Tense (parts 1 & 2) 51 days after founding (LSHSF #1)
LSH v4 #75; Legionnaires #32 July 16, 2994 2-Timer parts 1 & 2 Founding + 52 days (LSHSF #1)
LSH v4 #76 July 18, 2994 Repairs continue. Gates & Star Boy join the team Founding + 54 days (LSHSF #1)
Legionnaires #33; LSH v4 #77; Legionnaires #34 July 20, 2994 Starfinger attacks the Legion, Kinetix bargains with Mysa; Nara Minsork mentally interrogates Brainiac 5; Starfinger defeated and revealed to be Jan Arrah. Founding + 56 days (LSHSF #1)
LSH v4 #78; Legionnaires #35; LSH v4 #79; Legionnaires #36 July 22, 2994 With the threat of the Sun Eater, President Chu orders the Legion to assemble the Fatal Five; Back at HQ, Shvaughn, Lori, Tenzil, Chuck and Rond defend against Protean invaders; The Legion fights the Fatal Five; Fatal Five defeated, Kinetix returns to the team  Founding + 58 days (LSHSF #1)
LSH v4 #80 July 23, 2994 Chu's control of Starfinger and the Fatal Five is revealed. She is deposed and Brande is elected president Founding + 59 days (LSHSF #1)
Legionnaires #37 July 25, 2994 Lar Gand/Valor is re-christened as M'Onel Estimate between LSH v4 #80 and Legionnaires #38
LSH v4 #81 July 26, 2994 The Legion attempts to help Dirk Morgna. Estimate between Legionnaires #37 and #38
Legionnaires #38 July 27, 2994 Vi elected leader. The founders visit Titan. Founding + 63 days (LSHSF #1)
LSH v4 #82 July 30, 2994 A Legion team visits Xanthu. Tinya's ghost manifests itself from within Jo. Arbitrary date between the prior issues
Legionnaires #39 August 2, 2994 Strange things happen in the Legion HQ. The Legion is summoned to Vega to confront Regulus Just prior to LSH v4 #83
LSH v4 #83 August 3, 2994 Leviathan dies in battle with Regulus Founding + 70 days (LSHSF #1)
Legionnaires #40; LSH v4 #84 August 4, 2994 Emerald Legion parts 1 & 2: half the team is thrown back to the 20th century Founding + 71 days (LSHSF #1)
Legionnaires #41 August 5, 2994 Aftermath of the Emerald Legion. Funeral for Leviathan Assumed - 1 day between LSH v4 #84 and Legionnaires #42
Legionnaires #42 August 6, 2994 Kinetix & others abducted by Mysa. Kinetix's powers returned. Garth appointed temporary leader Founding + 73 days (LSHSF #1)
Legionnaires #43 August 10, 2994 Legion tryouts Founding + 77 days (LSHSF #1)
Legionnaires #44 August 11, 2994 Mordru's tomb is discovered; new members Sensor, Umbra and Magno go on mission Live Wire to new recruits - "You joined yesterday."
Legionnaires #45 August 13, 2994 Mantis Morlo causes havoc on Vygra; Lyle elected leader Founding + 80 days (LSHSF #1)
Legionnaires #46 August 15, 2994 M'Onel recruits Laurel Gand to search for Violet. Jeka and Reep go on a date. Issue picks up just after prior with Thom taking Nura home
Legionnaires #47 August 20, 2994 Legion temporarily reunited in the timestream Story opens w/Lyle & Dragonmage. Legionnaires #48 Lyle says this happened "yesterday"
Legionnaires #48; Legionnaires #49; Legionnaires #50 August 21, 2994 Emerald War begins; Legion, Workforce and Amazers unite to attack Mordru; Violet freed from the Emerald Eye; Mordru defeated Founding + 88 days (LSHSF #1); Brande says Sklar was destroyed "today" - i.e., Legionnaires #48
Legionnaires #51; Legionnaires #52 August 22, 2994 Emerald War aftermath; Vi gains growth powers Founding + 89 days (LSHSF #1)
Legionnaires #53 August 25, 2994 Lori uses an H dial; Magno considers his future; Monstress adjusts to the team Arbitrary. A couple days after Legionnaires #52
Legionnaires #54 Out of Time The Legion experiences an alternate reality on 1940s Earth Current Legion only in timestream - but with Vi there no one from the 20th c. team realizes she's not still possessed!
Legionnaires #55 August 29, 2994 The Legion fights the Composite Durlan again Legionnaires #54 was "last week" so at least three or four days since Legionnaires #53
Legionnaires #56 August 31-ish, 2994 M'onel's story to keep him away from HQ Legionnaires are not to be found - as they are all in LSH v4 #100. Valor's encounter with the Khunds keeps him away from HQ
LSH v4 #100 August 31, 2994 COMPUTO defeated. Legion Reunited Concurrent with Legionnaires #56, prior to Ferro mission & Outpost dedication
LSH v4 #100 September 1, 2994 Violet & Ferro defeat Medusa Assume 1 day prior to Outpost dedication based on Ferro comments
LSH v4 #100 September 2, 2994 Legion Day - Dedication of Legion Outpost Allon Founding + 100 days (LSHSF #1) - Outpost Allon dedicated; assumes Legion Day story takes place earlier in the day as Kinetix gives her cape to Monstress
LSH v4 #100 September 3, 2994 Mysterious Deep space anomaly discovered by Andromeda. Story happens after Outpost Allon dedication given Andromeda cameo in dedication story

Jim says "The Reboot timeline goes along pretty swimmingly until LSH #100, when Carlson leaves and McAvennie takes over. Up to then, the 30th century stories take place in 2994. After LSH 100, McAvennie makes everything back to the old publish year + 1000 model, which completely throws off any timeline tracking efforts."

Coming eventually: Jim says he'll work out a timeline post LSH #100, which we won't get to in the podcast until late 2025.

Wednesday, January 04, 2023

Reprint predictions again

In April 2021, I made a bold prediction on what I thought DC was going to reprint in 2022, given that we had just found out that "Before the Darkness" vol 2 was on the schedule. I looked at the tea leaves and made what I thought were good, sound prognostications on what I thought the most likely reprint collections would be given DC's reprinting history of Legion volumes to that point. I figured we were good for any 3 of the 5. 

As it turned out, I only got one out of five right: the second volume of the Five Years Later Omnibus (which I'm still shocked that DC decided to reprint in the first place!). And we did get three, but not the ones I predicted.

🚫1. Bronze Age Omnibus vol 1: reprinting Superboy 172-224, last reprinted 2000-2003 in Archives 10-12; the last Silver Age Omnibus volume came out in 2020
🚫2. The Great Darkness Saga re-release: reprinting LSH v2 284-296, last reprinted 2011, though if this came out I expect it would be at the end of the year since "Before the Darkness vol 2" will come out in Jan 2022
✅3. 5YL Omnibus vol 2: reprinting LSH v4 #40-63, plus the Legionnaires series and half of the Valor run, all of which has never been reprinted; vol 1 came out in 2021
🚫4. Reboot vol 3: reprinting LSH v4 #74-80 and LGS #31-37 plus the Superboy crossover, and continuing the naming for this reprint series as "Legionnaires", all of which has never been reprinted; volume 2 came out in 2018
🚫5. Legion Worlds: issues 1-6 never reprinted, although solicited but cancelled in 2013; last Abnett/Lanning volume 2 came out in 2018

On the other hand, we did get one that I did NOT see coming, the Who's Who Omnibus volume 2 that also reprinted the entire "Who's Who in the LSH" series.

They both have nifty (if reprinted) Sprouse/Story covers, so maybe that's what it takes to get a reprint volume?

And of course, the one we did get that everyone saw coming was "Justice League vs the LSH". (Note that this did not have a Sprouse/Story cover.)

I still stand by my predictions on items 1, 2, 4, and 5 above as what SHOULD come out. But with the new DC management, my Naltorian future-prediction powers have departed and who knows when they'll return.

Sunday, December 25, 2022

The Legion Forever

In mid-November, when we heard about the passing of Carlos Pacheco, who drew, among many other cool things, the Avengers Forever miniseries with Kurt Busiek. As a sort of tribute, I proposed on the Subs podcast that we come up with our own version of a Legion Forever team. The only ground rules were that it includes members or Legion-related characters from any timeline or any continuity, and the pitch had to include a rationale as to why they were together. Here's what I came up with: 


Back in LSHv2 Annual 1, Computo discovered alternate realities via the tesseract storage portals when it possessed the entire Legion Clubhouse. When it realized it was going to be defeated, it uploaded a copy of itself in an unused tesseract that was later activated. It has been leaping through realities, setting wrong what once went right and trying to destroy the Legions of other universes. Enter Dr. Mayavale, who has gone straight and has chosen the following heroes to help him atone. We don’t learn until much later why he chose these particular people (I never figured out the reason, I'm leaving that as a problem for Future Me to get to). Mayavale recruited the team's leader, Threeboot Cosmic Boy, to his team via the Knights Tempus (and thus closing that plot point that got dropped).


It's confusing who knows who. We have four females, four males, and two robots (one female-presenting and one male-presenting).
  1. Silver Age: Hate Face
    • Never met anyone else on the list
  2. Bronze Age: Brainiac 5’s Supergirl sex robot
    • Might have met Wildfire or M-E Lad
  3. Bronze Age: Wildfire, in his original ERG-1 containment suit which allowed him to mimick the powers of various Legionnaires
    • May have met the Supergirl robot but didn't know at the time she was a robot, although he would surely have heard about after she was destroyed
  4. 5YL: BION (after it had been reprogrammed by Brainy)
    • Would have fought M-E Lad as BION, fought and killed Duplicate Girl as Computo, had their powers as well as Wildfire's when it emerged and took over Danielle Foccart
  5. 5YL: Matter-Eater Lad, with the innate power of the Miracle Machine
    • Would have known about Hate Face but never met him, may have met the Supergirl robot when she was impersonating Supergirl, worked with Wildfire briefly, worked with Duplicate Girl (although she is a different version of the one he worked with in the 5YL timeline)
  6. Reboot: XS (prior to the first L3W meeting)
    • Doesn't know anyone else
  7. Animated: Jordana Gardner, the Teen Lantern
    • Doesn't know anyone else
  8. Retroboot: Duplicate Girl
    • Would have heard of Hate Face, maybe met the Supergirl robot, worked a bit with Wildfire but she got married and left the Legion at the same time as he joined (he would barely know her, but she worked with him periodically), hates BION because it's a version of Computo which killed one of her bodies, worked with M-E Lad in the Silver Age and with XS in L3W
  9. Threeboot: Cosmic Boy
    • Post-L3W, would have met and worked with an older Wildfire, probably didn't work too closely with M-E Lad in L3W, would have met XS and Duplicate Girl in L3W
  10. Rebirth: X-Ray Girl
    • Doesn't know anyone and nobody knows a thing about her so she's a blank slate to do whatever the writer wants with her

The Legion Forever team:
top row - Hate Face, Supergirl Robot, ERG-1, BION, Tenzil Kem
bottom row - XS, Jordana Gardner, Duplicate Girl, Cosmic Boy with the Knights Tempus, X-Ray Girl

Computo, the antagonist, vs Dr Mayavale, the savior of the universes

Let me know in the comments who your Legion Forever team might be, and why they have gotten together?

Wednesday, November 16, 2022

New Animated Movie Trailer

The trailer for next year's (sometime in 2023) animated movie in the DC Animated Movie Universe (DCAMU), aka The Tomorrowverse - not to be confused with the DC Animated Universe (DCAU), home of the TV series "Superman: The Animated Series" and "Justice League Unlimited" - came out today and I screencapped the video to see what I could see.

Here's what we already knew, from the 10/13/22 Hollywood Reporter:

Kara, devastated by the loss of Krypton, struggles to adjust to her new life on Earth. Her cousin, Superman, mentors her and suggests she leave their space-time to attend the Legion Academy in the 31st century, where she makes new friends and a new enemy: Brainiac 5. Meanwhile, she must contend with a mysterious group called the Dark Circle as it searches for a powerful weapon held in the Academy’s vault.

It seems certain to me that the powerful weapon must be the Miracle Machine.

The cast, as listed in the article (with some spelling mistakes corrected):

  • Meg Donnelly voice stars as Supergirl/Kara
  • Harry Shum Jr. stars as Brainaic 5
  • Darren Criss as Superman
  • Matt Bomer as The Flash
  • Jensen Ackles as Batman
  • Cynthia Hamidi as Dawnstar
  • Gideon Adlon as Phantom Girl
  • Ely Henry as Bouncing Boy
  • Robbie Daymond as Timber Wolf & Brainiac 4
  • Yuri Lowenthal as Mon El
  • Eric Lopez as Cosmic Boy & Chemical King
  • Darin De Paul as Brainiac & Solomon Grundy
  • Ben Diskin as Arm Fall Off Boy & Brainiac 2
  • Victoria Grace as Shadow Lass
  • Jennifer Hale as Alura
  • Daisy Lightfoot as Triplicate Girl
  • Zeno Robinson as Invisible Kid & Brainiac 3
Screencapping the video, and not worrying about images of Superman, Batman, or Solomon Grundy, I noticed that none of the following with voice actors appear in this trailer: Flash, Chemical King, Alura, and Brainiacs 1, 2, 3, and 4.

This is a new version of the Legion HQ we've never seen before. Note the tilted "L" with the comet, that's the Bendis/Sook version. Their influence comes up a lot in this trailer. Zooming in, we can see Cosmic Boy, Saturn Girl, and Lightning Lad at the center - none of whom have listed voice actors, by the way - along with Ferro Lad and Sensor Girl in a purple glow above them. Below them, it could possibly be Tyroc, Lightning Lass, and Karate Kid. At the bottom of the screen is Wildfire in an orange glow. (Maybe XS and not Ayla? Or even the Jazmin version of Kid Quantum?)

Then we have a shot at characters in the Legion Academy. From left to right: Quislet, Dream Girl, Triplicate Girl, Phantom Girl, Monster Boy, Invisible Kid (Jacques), Bouncing Boy, and Arm-Fall-Off Boy, with Timber Wolf as the instructor. Interestingly, Quislet and Dream Girl don't show up elsewhere in the trailer, while Monster Boy makes an appearance, but none of those three have listed voice actors. So either they don't make it, they get killed off, or they are just background extras with non-speaking roles. (Or maybe it's the Retroboot costume on Stone Boy and not Monster Boy?)

Triplicate Girl has a different skin color than we've seen before. Arm-Fall-Off Boy, Bouncing Boy, Monster Boy, and Phantom Girl are behind her. (Although now I'm leaning towards Stone Boy and not Monster Boy.)

Mon-El is introduced to Supergirl by Superman. Since he's not in the Academy class, he must be an experienced Legionnaire....

As is Dawnstar, who lands before Mon-El and Supergirl

Bouncing Boy shows off his powers. Only Invisible Kid and AFO Boy join Chuck from the Academy class, wonder where the others are?

Triplicate Girl uses tri-jitsu against a Dark Circle member...

... While Arm-Fall-Off Boy uses his powers. Rather than using them as clubs to swing, he controls his arms at a distance (similar to TDK in "The Suicide Squad").

Shadow Lass talks to the Academy kids, she must be a veteran as well.

The trailer shows everyone in a fighting stance, including the newly-introduced Brainiac 5 (with no hair). 

Brainiac 5 looks a lot more like his ancestor than any of the other versions over the years. Note that this movie has voice actors doing roles for Brainiacs 1, 2, 3, and 4 as well.

Brainy and Supergirl's meet-cute.

This is a call-back to the holo-statues outside the clubhouse, as seen in the first image. This is Cosmic Boy (who does have a voice actor), Saturn Girl, and Lightning Lad in front, with Sensor Girl and Ferro Lad flying overhead (none of whom have voice actors).

Closeup of Supergirl, revealing the details of her costume.

Supergirl mentions that she has met the Dark Circle before. 

Three rookies: Triplicate Girl, Phantom Girl, and Invisible Kid.

Dawnstar drops off Phantom Girl... 

...who plummets and pummels a Dark Circle guy.

Timber Wolf Wolverines his way through the Dark Circle.

Chuck flattens a Dark Circle guy in his own method.

An angry looking Supergirl flies out of LSH HQ.

Note that this is the name of the movie, it's not "Supergirl and the Legion". This is reminiscent of the 2006-08 animated series which also had the Super-S but didn't have Superman's name in the title.

Coming sometime in 2023. I notice that it does not say that it comes on DVD, and it doesn't say that it's streaming. I'd expect it to come out on physical media first, and then some short time later it will appear on HBO Max.

On the team (characters with voice actors known so far are in bold):
  • Veterans: Cosmic BoyDawnstar, Ferro Lad, Karate Kid(?), Lightning Lad, Lightning Lass(?), Mon-El, Saturn Girl, Sensor Girl, Shadow Lass, Timber Wolf, Tyroc(?), Wildfire
  • Rookies: Arm-Fall-Off BoyBouncing BoyBrainiac 5, Dream Girl, Invisible Kid, Monster Boy, Phantom Girl, Quislet, SupergirlTriplicate Girl
  • Unknown: Chemical King

Friday, October 21, 2022

Zero Hour #0 annotations: All the Way to the End of Today

Annotations forZero Hour #0:


  • Cover: I wonder who got paid for the original art?
  • The Legionnaires, having ceased to exist, do not appear in this issue.
  • Page 4: Hal Jordan, now Parallax, wants to remake the universe and fix what he thinks is wrong with it
  • Page 6 panel 4: Parallax talks about the end of time where entropy exists, that is effectively the incarnation of the Time Trapper. But time being an infinite loop is the incarnation of the Infinite Man.
  • Page 7: everyone here supposedly has a purpose for being here
  • Page 9 panel 2: Parallax considers bringing back an Earth where the JSA can exist, the re-creation of Earth-2 for the JSA was seriously considered as part of the ending to Zero Hour, but ultimately rejected
  • Page 11 panel 2: Alpha Centurion and Batgirl decide to take Parallax’s side because if he loses, their worlds won’t exist
  • Page 13: It’s the Spectre! I guess Jay Garrick’s words to him last issue finally got through
  • Page 20: Damage has collected all the energy of Parallax’s new universe and explodes
  • Page 21: The post-ZH universe is reborn, but without the guidance from Parallax
  • Page 23: Batgirl and Alpha Centurion vanish as their worlds never came into being, this earth is has “slight differences” in the timeline from before and “all alternate timelines” have ceased to exist
  • Page 25 panel 1: Extant escapes
    • What happened to Extant after this? Not seen again for 5 years, until the 1999 one-shot Impluse: Bart Saves the Universe, when Extant tricks the Linear Men into saving the life of an innocent bystander who was supposed to die, which through a chain of events would have prevented Hal Jordan from becoming Green Lantern and so Parallax never would have stopped Extant. Impulse helps stop that. After a later battle against the JSA (#11-15, 2000), Extant is teleported by Hourman and Metron into being on the plane that Atom-Smasher’s mother was on when it crashed, taking her place and killing him instead. He later appeared as a zombie in Darkest Night (but as a time traveler he’s not really dead, right?). Hank Hall was then resurrected as Hawk as part of Brightest Day, and he and Dove were recruited to join the Birds of Prey.
  • Page 26 panel 4: back in the present, all of Parallax’s deeds are undone and anyone who died in the chronal fissures is fixed, but those who died by other means are still dead
  • Page 26 panel 6: But at least Power Girl’s son was born, that’s got to be good news for everyone, right?
  • Page 28 panels 3-4: in the forward to the 2018 re-release, Jurgens said that he intended Batgirl to be the new Time Trapper
  • In the afterward to the collected edition, editor KC Carlson discusses what new stories were going to be coming out of Zero Hour, from a new beginning of the Legion to Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, the Justice League teams, plus new series with Dr Fate, Manhunter, Starman, Damage, Primal Force, and more.
  • New sliding timeline introduced in this issue in a 4-page foldout

  • Reprint collections:
    • A trade paperback collecting Showcase '94 #8–9 (1994) and Zero Hour: Crisis in Time! #4–0 (1994), titled Zero Hour: Crisis in Time!, was released in 1994
    • A trade paperback collecting the Batman tie-in issues, titled Batman: Zero Hour, was released on June 7, 2017.
    • A trade paperback collecting the Superman tie-in issues, titled Superman: Zero Hour, was released on June 20, 2018.
    • A hardcover collection collecting Showcase '94 #8–9 (1994), Zero Hour: Crisis in Time #4–0 (1994), the Zero Hour Sampler and including a new foreword by Dan Jurgens, was released on May 8, 2018.
    • A 25th Anniversary DC Omnibus edition collecting Showcase '94 #8–9 (1994), Zero Hour: Crisis in Time #4–0 (1994), all of the tie-in issues, and including a foreword by Dan Jurgens, an afterword by series editor KC Carlson, and promotional and behind-the-scenes material, was released on October 23, 2019.
  • As mentioned earlier, Parallax considers bringing back an Earth where the JSA can exist, the re-creation of Earth-2 for the JSA was seriously considered as part of the ending to Zero Hour, but ultimately rejected by DC Editorial.
What would have happened if the Hal Jordan/ Parallax character create[d] other Earths, I wanted one Earth to survive to put the JSA on, and give them back Earth-2. If you had that separation, they would always have a place to be where time could exist on its own, and they could exist with the DC Universe.
More than anything, it was an editorial decision that DC did not want to go through with it.
This is the end of the recaps of the 5YL timeline, which we started with episode 549 on April 15, 2019. So it’s taken exactly 3-1/2 years.

So here we have the last few days of story as ending with Zero Hour. I'm color coding them based on whether the date appeared in the 2995 Sourcebook (yellow), it's a confirmed date that was given in the comic (green), or an estimated date based on keeping track of events and days (cyan). Bold text is something new added this issue. Italics are unknown dates.

Due to the timelines in the stories bouncing between 2995 and 1994 and things happening "simultaneously" 1001 years apart, I'm keeping the events in the order that they happen to the people involved, not strictly chronological by day and year. To make it easier to follow, the 1994 dates will be inred textand anything outside of time (like at the beginning or end of time) will be inblue text.
  • Fri 9/29/95: Arriving at Weber’s World, the team tries to stop the Khunds’ bombs from destroying the planet; Dawnstar arrives and meets Wildfire; Firefist kills Veilmist; and after studying at the Infinite Library, Glorith travels to Tharn where she restores Mordru’s powers to help her conquer the universe (LSHv4 #58). Meanwhile, SW6 Brainy & Triad find that Valor has been retconned from history (Valor #13, Legionnaires #16 pages 9-10), so a team of Legionnaires goes back in time to find out what happened (Valor #14, Legionnaires #16 page 10).
    • Outside of time: the Legionnaires enter the time stream and crash their Time Bubble (Valor #15); the Legionnaires fight Valor and find out that Lori is Glorith (Valor #16), and then fight Glorith, but Valor succumbs to the effects of his lead poisoning and dies; SW6 Valor appears (Valor #17); Brainiac 5 tells SW6 Valor that he will have to spend another 1000 years in the Phantom Zone in order to save time, and Valor does not take it well (Valor #18), but the presence of Waverider and seeing his fellow Legionnaires vanish changes his mind. Once he accepts his fate, the Legionnaires appear back in their own time and the legend of Valor is restored (Valor #19, Legionnaires #16 page 11. From Vanishing Point, the Linear Men see a timequake affect the 30th century (Valor #20), which causes Dream Girl and Star Boy to appear (Legionnaires #16).
    • The Legionnaires instantly return to their present, unaware of their meeting with Glorith and the Valors (Valor #15-19, Legionnaires #16 page 11); Star Boy, Dream Girl, and Bouncing Boy appear with the Legionnaires and Ferro Lad is long dead, leading Cosmic Boy, Saturn Girl, and Lightning Lad – who seem to be the only ones aware that something funny is going on – to take a Time Bubble to figure it out (even though Invisible Kid and Rond Vidar are secretly aware that something’s happening); Polestar appears at New Earth (Legionnaires #16, LSHv4 #59); Rond, SW6 Brainiac 5, and SW6 Invisible Kid arrive on Weber’s World in a time bubble at the same time as with Mon-El, Shadow Lass, and Dev-Em, but they're all too late to prevent the death of Laurel Gand from the Khund bomb; Jo leaves for 1994 to find Tinya (LSHv4 #59). The SW6 Legionnaires confront Polestar at New Earth (Legionnaires #17).
  • Sat 8/6/1994: Valor tries to re-create the feats he did before he went into the Phantom Zone, but fails; the Linear Men watch Valor from Vanishing Point (Valor #20). As a result of the timeline issues, Valor splits into multiple copies of himself and manages to do all the things that legend said he did over the years, in just a few hours, then resigns himself to having Glorith send him back to the Bgztl Twilight dimension. But the Linear Men realize it’s too late, the future is doomed (Valor #21).
  • Sun 8/7/1994: Jo Nah arrives from the future in the time bubble (L.E.G.I.O.N. #68). He meets who he thinks is Tinya, but it turns out to have been her cousin Enya all along. He wants to bring her back to the 30th century (L.E.G.I.O.N. #69).
  • Sat 9/30/95: Laurel Gand is laid to rest on Shanghalla in a ceremony attended by a number of adult and SW6 Legionnaires, after which Glorith and Mordru attack the group with replicas of some of their old foes and kidnap Rokk, and then Dawnstar fades out (Legionnaires #17). Valor and others go to New Earth to help RJ Brande bring Pocket Earth into this universe, but while the Subs and several Legionnaires blink out of existence, Pocket Earth turns out to be unstable and will explode in 72 hours (Valor #22). Rokk tries but can’t escape Mordru and Glorith (LSHv4 #60).
  • Sun 10/1/95: Rokk escapes Mordru and Glorith by going into the Infinite Library; the surviving members of the adult and SW6 Legions meet on Winath to help look for Rokk, but when Glorith and Mordru show up on Talus seeking the Time Beacon, the Legions go there. The magicians call forth the Infinite Man, and then they take his powers. Gim Allon disappears when his SW6 counterpart Leviathan is killed (LSH v4 #60).Mordru and Glorith begin to remake the universe, and the Legion teams fight them and their evil dopplegangers. But one by one, more Legionnaires fade out. Mysa manages to break Mordru and Glorith apart which causes their spell to fail, at least temporarily, before she fades out (Legionnaires #18). Valor and Shadow Lass meet Pre-Crisis Superboy, who helps the Legions fight Glorith and Mordru. The team beats Glorith, and her Infinite Man powers flow to Valor. He then dumps it all on Mordru, who is unprepared to have his mind merge with the universe. Mordru teleports away into the core of Pocket Earth, which is ready to explode in a couple of days. Valor and Shady vanish, and after Superboy makes a rousing speech, he too vanishes (Valor #23).
  • End of Time: Time Trapper is blasted by someone unknown, who starts to destroy time from the end going backwards and from the dawn of time going forwards (Zero Hour #4).
  • 8/8/1994: Jo tries to go back to the future with Enya/Phase, but at the last second she leaves him and returns to her L.E.G.I.O.N. team (L.E.G.I.O.N. #70). His time bubble is blocked from going to the future moments later. SW6 Cosmic Boy, Saturn Girl, and Livewire fall out of the timestream in 1994, where they are met by Jo (Legionnaires #18). Meanwhile, the pre-Crisis Earth-1 Kal-El Superboy appears after helping the Legion and meets Kon-El Superboy in Smallville. Kal-El quickly realizes that this is a mix of his town and the post-Crisis Byrne version, and after a fight with Kon-El he realizes that he is the time anomaly here. Kon-El tells Kal-El that he will carry on the job as Superboy, and Kal-El vanishes (Superboy v3 #8). Batman, Superman, Metron, and GL Kyle Rayner contact heroes, including Emerald Dragon and the SW6 founders (Legionnaires #18) and Kon-El (Superboy v3 #8), to join up in New York City (Zero Hour #4).Metron notices that Impulse is from the 30th century (Zero Hour #3).
  • End of Time: Rokk spends an infinite amount of time in the Infinite Library and meets the Time Trapper when he finally escapes (Legionnaires #18).The Time Trapper explains his history and reveals that the SW6 Legionnaires were taken from time by him, not cloned by the Dominators. But their continued existence warped time and caused the Trapper to go insane trying to “fix” things to actually protect the Legion from the Zero Hour energy wave (Valor #23). He then reveals himself to Rokk that the two of them are really temporal duplicates (Valor #23, also shown in Zero Hour #3).
  • 8/8/1994: In the middle of the night, SW6 Saturn Girl, Livewire, and Cosmic Boy and Emerald Dragon join the gathering of heroes, including Superboy and Impulse (Zero Hour #3). Vril Dox launches a probe into the time stream to try to figure out what’s going on; it will reappear in ZH #1 (L.E.G.I.O.N. #70, Zero Hour #3).While trying to save NYC, Emerald Dragon reminds Booster Gold that they’ve met before. Afterwards, Waverider tells the heroes that they must try to stop time from eating itself in the past and in the future; the Legionnaires choose to go on the future mission, as this is their only way home. (Zero Hour #2)
  • Beginning of Time: Waverider leads a team to the distant past. They are attacked by Extant, and Waverider sends the heroes back to their own time (Zero Hour #2).
  • 10/2/2995: Meanwhile, Superman leads a team to New Earth in the 30th century where they see “the end of time and space”. Metron devises a plan to stop the future from collapsing; Captain Atom blasts Metron’s Mobius Chair inside a boom tube which apparently saves the day in the future. Polestar arrives with Time Trapper, who sends the 20th century heroes back to their home while the Legionnaires remain in the 30th century (Zero Hour #2).
  • 8/8/1994: Extant says that he was not supposed to lose in the 30th century (Zero Hour #2).
  • 10/2/2995: A little while later later, someone appears in the 30th century and reopens the rift in time to make sure things happen correctly (Zero Hour #2).The remaining Legionnaires (adult and SW6) arrive on Pocket Earth from Talus, only to find that they can’t stop the imminent destruction of the planet. The Time Trapper brings Rokk and the Legionnaires who just helped out at New Earth to Talus, and tells them that they are temporal duplicates and the only way to save the universe is by combining all of the counterparts (LSH v4 #61). The Time Trapper leaves the Legionnaires on Pocket Earth, saying the future is in their hands. It’s now a group of both adult and SW6 Garth, Imra, and Rokk, and the Trapper’s Iron Curtain of Time is the only thing protecting them. The Legionnaires and the universe fade to white (LSH v4 #61, Zero Hour #1).Then the Time Trapper confronts someone, who blasts him again and apparently destroys him. The 30th century fades to white (Zero Hour #1).
  • 8/9/1994: Heroes from the future start disappearing – first Impulse, then Booster Gold. Metron theorizes that the time entropy wave is coming back through time and that their times are now gone. At Vanishing Point. Superman and Kyle retrieve Vril Dox’s time probe (from Zero Hour #3 and L.E.G.I.O.N. #70) for Atom to use its components in creating a new Waverider. Later, on Earth, the one behind it all reveals himself: it’s Hal Jordan, aka Parallax, who says he knows how to fix the universe, even if it means destroying it. Hal was the one who stripped the Time Trapper of his powers and killed him, and Hal has decided that the universe needs him as a protector and he wants to reboot the universe (Zero Hour #1).
  • Dawn of Time: Hal Jordan, now Parallax, wants to remake the universe and fix what he thinks is wrong with it. The Spectre joins the fight and the heroes funnel the energy of Parallax’s new universe into Damage, who explodes, re-creating the universe but without the guiding hand of Parallax. Waverider says there will be slight differences from what they knew before. Power Girl’s son is born (Zero Hour #0).
  • End of Time: The new Time Trapper is glimpsed at the end of time (Zero Hour #0).